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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Such nouns are not very common – so don’t go crazy - but they are allowed. Here are a few more I could find:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red">ngaQHa'moHwI'</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> key (TNK)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">bochmoHwI'</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> sycophant, flatterer, one who tries to curry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-family:Courier">favor by flattering a superior (<i>slang</i>) KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">chenmoHwI'</span></b><i><span style="font-family:Courier">
</span></i><span style="font-family:Courier">creator, maker KGT<br>
(e.g. <b>Hew chenmoHwI'</b> sculptor)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">najmoHwI'</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> lullaby (n) KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">ngaDmoHwI'</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> stabilizer (component of a ship) KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Courier">wovmoHwI' </span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">light (<i>device</i>) KBoP (n)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Courier"></span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> (e.g.
</span><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red">wovmoHwI' moQ</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> light bulb (TNK)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Courier"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#C00000">yIntaHwI'
</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> living (<i>person)</i>, the living PB<br>
<b><span style="color:red">jubbe'wI'</span> </b>mortal (<i>person</i>) (n) PB</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#C00000">Heghpu'wI'</span></b><b><span style="font-family:Courier">
</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> dead (<i>person</i>), the dead PB<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">yoymoHwI'</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> inverter (<i>device</i>) (n)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.4in;text-indent:-.4in"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000">pIlHa'wI'</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> "unmotivated one" (<i>i.e.
</i>one who is apathetic)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.4in;text-indent:-.4in"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000">SaHHa'wI'</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> one who is not concerned (<i>i.e.
</i>one who is apathetic))</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000">quvHa'wI'</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> dishonored one
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>André Müller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 27, 2016 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Can I use verb type 9 suffix {-wI'}, after other suffixes ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yes, there's no problem with it. If the semantics still make sense after nominalizing a verb with {-wI'} I see no problem. You could describe someone who is willing to learn Klingon as a {ghojqangwI'}, and someone
who is afraid to speak a {jatlhvIpwI'}. And so on... we also have a few examples of canonical words involving {-wI'} and a verbal suffix:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">* {QaDmoHwI' DIr} = towel (lit.: dry-maker skin)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">* {Say'moHwI' tlhagh} = soap (lit.: clean-maker fat)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">* {Sut HabmoHwI'} = iron (lit.: clothing smooth-maker)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I see no reason to think that this shouldn't work with other suffixes just as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What's arguable not possible (but we don't know for sure, I think) is using {-wI'} on a verb with prefixes. I would probably not accept ?{muparHa'wI'} as a word for 'someone who likes me'.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- André<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-06-27 15:40 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target="_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So far, I considered verb type 9 suffix {-wI'), as a suffix, one could<br>
use on a verb, which verb didn't have a preceding suffix. And I really<br>
don't know why I had that impression.<br>
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But recently, at another thread, I saw someone using the verb type 9<br>
suffix {-wI'}, on a verb which had another type of verb suffix,<br>
preceding the {-wI'}.<br>
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So, I want to ask ; is this allowed ? Can I place the verb type 9<br>
suffix, on a verb which has another verb suffix, preceding ?<br>
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Of course the question would be : "why would you want to ?". Right now<br>
I can't think of a reason. However I remember that the person who had<br>
used it this way, had actually created a construction which made<br>
perfect sense, and was appropriate for the occasion.<br>
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mop Hurgh qunnoq<br>
QeH SeHlu'bogh Hol 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e'<br>
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