<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 6/22/2016 1:19 PM, mayqel qunenoS
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<pre>chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH
[Maybe I'd like to buy something from you.] PK
Maybe the difference is insignificant, but I believe that in the
strict sense of the rules, the {chaq} should be placed before the
{vIneH}.
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<p>Yep. Consider also <b>reH DIvI Duj vISuv vIneH</b><i> I've
always wanted to fight a Federation ship</i> (ST5).</p>
<p>My best guess is that the placement of adverbials is different
for <b>neH</b> than for <b>'e'.</b></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To me, the translation given in PK is ambiguous, which is why I think there's a different question here that needs to be considered. Specifically, is {chaq} modifying the verb {je'} or the verb {neH}.<br><br>In my mind there's no question. The equivocation provided by {chaq} is all about the buying and not about whether you want it or not.</div><div><br></div><div>A clearer translation than that found in PK might be:<br><br>[I'd like to maybe buy something from you.]</div><div><br></div><div>And of course, as we know Klingon doesn't bother with those useful tools of sentence separation like commas, periods, and semi-colons. That said, I suspect we can all agree that the final {vIneH} is its own sentence.<br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><font face="times new roman, serif" style="font-size:13px">Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen :: </font><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">author :: publisher ::</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif"> psychologist </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">:: hypnotist ::</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif"> klingonist</span><br></div><div style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:'times new roman',serif;font-size:13px">::: Campbell Award nominee :::: Hugo Award nominee :::: Nebula Award nominee</span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif">:::</span><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:'times new roman',serif"> </span><font face="times new roman, serif"><a href="http://www.lawrencemschoen.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.lawrencemschoen.com</a> ::: <a href="http://www.papergolem.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.papergolem.com</a> ::: <a href="http://www.hypnosis4writers.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.hypnosis4writers.com</a></font></div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B_GP_9nB_N_KeU1aOEtWTERObVE&export=download"><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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