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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/22/2016 9:18 AM, mayqel qunenoS
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<pre wrap="">De'vID:
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<pre wrap="">Saying {jIH mayqel} is like saying "Me Tarzan".
It'll be understood, but it's not grammatical.
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thank you for replying ; however what you wrote, contradicts SuStel's
input which is the following :
SuStel :
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<pre wrap="">A Klingon to-be sentence expresses the idea X = Y. 'elaDya'ngan jIH
me = Greek; mayqel jIH me = Michael. There is no a, an, or the in Klingon."
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if X=Y, then Y=X right ?</pre>
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I did not intend to suggest that Klingon grammar can be manipulated
by the rules of mathematics.<br>
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<pre wrap="">furthermore, SuStel wrote..
SuStel :
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<pre wrap="">You should more or less ignore the ideas of subject and object with regard to to-be sentences.
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I can understand ignoring the ideas of subject and object with regard
to to-be sentences ; but how placing the {mayqel} after the {jIH} is
able to produce "me michael" ? Since in to-be sentences X=Y and vice
versa, if {jIH mayqel} produces "me michael", then {mayqel jIH} must
produce the same result too. right ?
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<p>I don't quite agree with De'vID's analogy of <i>me Tarzan.</i>
Klingon's <i>normal</i> mode of to-be sentences are like <i>me
Tarzan.</i> <b>tlhIngan jIH</b> is the equivalent of saying <i>me
Klingon.</i> The only difference is that the Klingon pronoun can
take suffixes for added meaning. Saying <b>SuStel 'oH pongwIj'e'</b>
is the equivalent of saying <i>SuStel me name.</i></p>
<p>Notice that I say <i>equivalent.</i> Do not try to copy the
grammar of <i>me Tarzan</i> into Klingon. It is only an
illustration. Klingon's to-be sentence rules must simply be
learned. They are what they are because they simply are.</p>
<p>When associating a noun with a pronoun, the noun comes first. It
doesn't matter whether the noun is a common noun or a proper noun.
<b>Human </b><b>jIH. SuStel jIH.</b><br>
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<p>When linking two nouns together, one noun is the "topic" or
"subject" noun. This is the noun you're "starting" with. The other
noun is the noun being introduced later. <b>Human </b><b>ghaH
SuStel'e' </b><i>as for SuStel, he is a human.</i> Here, <b>SuStel</b>
is the topic or subject; <b>Human</b> is the noun being
introduced to associate with him. <b>yaHDajDaq ghaHtaH SuStel'e'</b>
<i>as for SuStel, he is at his duty station.</i> <b>SuStel</b> is
the topic or subject; <b>yaHDajDaq</b> is being used to associate
with him.</p>
<p><b>SoH 'Iv</b> and <b>'Iv SoH</b> appear in both forms because
(a) Okrand probably forgot he did it one way, and (b) <b>'Iv</b>
is a kind of pronoun too, so either word can satisfy the pronoun
part of a to-be sentence.<br>
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