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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Other examples of
</span>"action” – which as SuStel pointed out is not the same as movement -- “in a direction away from the noun suffixed with {-vo’}"<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier"> naDevvo' jIleghlaHchu'be'
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">I can't see well from here.<b>
</b>CK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> <b>chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH</b>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> [<i>Maybe I'd like to buy something from you</i>.] PK<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000">betleHvo' qotar mInDu' mIghDaq boch 'otlh</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Light reflects off the
<i>bat'leth </i>into Fek'lhr's <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> evil eyes. PB [<i>sic!</i> for {veqlargh mInDu'}]</span><span style="font-family:Courier"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Another having to do with transmitting messages:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier"> HoD</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">,<b> yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH</b>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> [Captain, we are receiving a priority message from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> (<i>Fleet</i>) Operations Command.] (ST5 notes)<br>
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</span><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">… and yet </span>
</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">another from the very same “Message to Kronos”:</span><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000">ghe'naQ Daqvo' QInvam wIlab</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">We will place a homing device transmitting this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> message at the site of the opera. ('U'-MTK)<br>
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</span><span style="font-family:Courier"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">{lab}</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier"> “transmit data (away from a place)” already has an element of direction, but away from which place? {ghe’naQ Daqvo’} “from the site of the opera”.
(Okrand chose to ignore the bit about placing a homing device; interested Klingons are perfectly capable of homing in on the signal without being prompted. Consider it translator’s license.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:06 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/21/2016 3:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>1. {tera'vo' SarI'} "I hail you from Earth".<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>The way I understand {-vo'}, it is used to denote "movement taking<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>place away from somewhere". However, in this sentence, the meaning is<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>rather "I'm at earth, and from here I'm communicating". Perhaps, one<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>could say that "the thing moving away from earth is the message". But<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in that case, I would be expecting to see "from earth I'm sending this<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>message". Not "from earth I hail you".<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>"This suffix <b>[-vo']</b> is similar to <b>-Daq</b> but is used only when action is in a direction away from the noun suffixed with
<b>-vo'.</b>"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It doesn't say there has to be literal movement, and it doesn't say the subject or object have to be moving away from something, just that the "action" is "in a direction away from." In Okrand's sentence, the action of hailing is being directed away from
Earth.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is a similar sentence in <i>Conversational Klingon:</i><b> pa'vo' pagh leghlu'</b>
<i>the room has no view</i> (literally, <i>from the room, one sees nothing</i>). The action of seeing is being directed away from the room.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Because irregularities like the aforementioned ones confuse me, I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>chose to delete the "message from kronos", from my data banks.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Keep it. Aside from the rest of the good grammar, it's useful to keep examples of Okrand's mistakes, if only to convince Worshipers at the Almighty Knees of Okrand that his every utterance is not holy writ.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://trimboli.name">http://trimboli.name</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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