[tlhIngan Hol] Apposition in the *paq'batlh*

[Steven Boozer]

Thinking some more about apposition...  The closest examples I could find were:

qIvo'rIt toQDuj 'oH tlhIngan wo' Duj pagh'e' 
The Imperial Klingon Vessel Pagh is a K'Vort-class 
Bird-of-Prey. (S7)

... where {tlhIngan wo' Duj} is in apposition to {pagh}.  Note that only the ship name is tagged with {-'e'}; {Duj} is not.  

juHqo' Qo'noSvo' loghDaq lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu' 
During the (aggressive) expansion of the Klingon people from their homeworld of Kronos into space... (SP1)

... again, only the proper noun {Qo'noS} is tagged.


We know that suffixes are repeated with multiple nouns in sequence:

... tlhIngan'e', tera'ngan'e', romuluSngan'e' 
[... a Klingon, a Terran, a Romulan (untranslated)] (ST6)

Paramount Pictures malja' permey bIH Star Trek pong'e' Deghmey'e' je 
"Star Trek" and related marks are trademarks of Paramount Pictures.  (Copyright)

poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI' 
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9)

i.e. "while standing on the left side and on the right side"

tIngvo' 'evDaq chanDaq
from area-southwestward to area-northwestward to area 
eastward (st.klingon 11/21/1999)

'ej Hoch vengHomDaq Hoch vengDaq je 
In every village and city (PB)

i.e. "in every village and in every city"

Locative suffixes are also repeated when increasing precision is needed:

tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH
    Daq wa'DIch'e' 
1st Construction Site: The Kling District, Klingon Home World.
    (KBoP)

i.e. "on the Klingon Homeworld, in the Kling District".

loghDaq lupDujHom qoDDaq bIlengtaHvIS, nIbuQbogh novpu' DaSuv 
Battle menacing aliens in a shuttlecraft journey through space. (STX)

i.e. "in space, inside a shuttlecraft"

I admit that not all of these are useful in answering Luis's question WRT apposition, but they do show a greater tolerance for what an English-speaker would consider redundant repetition. <g>

Voragh

------------------------------Original Message------------------------------
From: Steven Boozer via tlhIngan-Hol

I'm not sure.  I am curious as to why {marqagh puqloD} is also tagged with {-'e'}.  It makes sense to tag {molor Duy} with {-'e'} as {Duy} is the subject of {ghaHtaH}, not {molor}:

  qatlh ngemDaq ghaHtaH molor Duy'e'
  Why is Molor's envoy in the woods?

Do both parts of a name + patronymic need to be so tagged since the formula is an apposition?  Do we have any other examples of {X Y puqloD/puqbe'} tagged with 'e'?  (This is the only one I know of.)

I don't recognize the name.  Do we know that Markag is, in fact, the father of Molor?  Is he mentioned anywhere else in the paq'batlh?  

I wonder... has this line been changed in PB 2nd edition?

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Voragh

---------------------------Original Message-------------------------
From: luis.chaparro--- via tlhIngan-Hol
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:29 AM

   *qatlh ngemDaq ghaHtaH
   molor Duy'e' marqagh puqloD’e’
   Hop juHlIj nov*
 
   What is an envoy of Molor,
   Son of Markag, doing in these woods?
   You are far away from home, stranger.
       (paq'yav 3, 1-3)

Maybe I'm understanding this wrong, but wouldn't that mean that the envoy is the son of Markag? Since *'e'* gives us the reference for *ghaHtaH*, *ghaHtaH* = *molor Duy* and *ghaHtaH* = *marqagh puqloD*: He is an envoy of Molor and he is the son of Markag.

Shouldn't it have been something like *molor marqagh puqloD Duy'e'*? Or maybe *molor Duy'e' marqagh puqloD Duy'e'*?

By the way: A bit later we see *molor QaS HoS* for *The men of mighty Molor*. Why isn't it *molor HoS QaS*?
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