[tlhIngan Hol] moon ph(r)ases, new adverbial {loQHa'}

[Iikka Hauhio]

De'vID:

> TKD section 6.7 says "The adverbial may actually follow the object noun (but still precede the verb) when the object noun is topicalized by means of the noun suffix {-'e'}", but it doesn't say it can't do so if {-'e'} is absent. So at least it's not explicitly ruled out in TKD. I guess someone will now have to pull up all the relevant info on head nouns and adverbials in relative clauses revealed since TKD to justify one way or the other whether {-'e'} is required here.

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That is an exception to the main rule that adverbials precede the object. So it is ruled out by the main rule.

Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio

------- Original Message -------
On Friday, May 27th, 2022 at 14.26, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2022 at 12:26, D qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 'oqranD:
>>> maS loQHa' So'lu'bogh
>>> maS loQ So'lu'bogh
>>
>> Shouldn't in both these cases the {maS} be {maS'e'} in order for it to
>> be able to precede the adverb?
>
> I think it would be better if {-'e'} is present, but I'm not sure if it's necessary. Maybe someone else can clarify.
>
> TKD section 6.7 says "The adverbial may actually follow the object noun (but still precede the verb) when the object noun is topicalized by means of the noun suffix {-'e'}", but it doesn't say it can't do so if {-'e'} is absent. So at least it's not explicitly ruled out in TKD. I guess someone will now have to pull up all the relevant info on head nouns and adverbials in relative clauses revealed since TKD to justify one way or the other whether {-'e'} is required here.
>
> Dr. Okrand also wrote that these are "descriptions. They’re commonly used, but they’re not frozen forms. So they can be manipulated grammatically." I imagine that, if they were actually to be used in a sentence, you'd have to put the {loQ[Ha']} after the {maS} to make it clear that it's, e.g., {maS['e'] loQ So'lu'bogh vIlegh} "I see the slightly-hidden moon" and not {loQ maS So'lu'bogh vIlegh} "I slightly see the hidden moon".
>
> --
>
> De'vID
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