[tlhIngan Hol] {net X} vs. {'e' Xlu'}

Will Martin lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com
Sun Jun 12 16:49:35 PDT 2022

I’m quite surprised that we can place a Sentence As Object between a Main Clause and its dependent clause. I saw nothing in TKD that ever suggested such a thing.

We’ve seen an example, {‘e’ neHbe’ vav’oy}? where the {‘e’} referred to an entire paragraph preceding the statement; something someone else said. So, we’ve seen {‘e’} stretch back to refer to context. I’ve never seen it encapsulate a clause as object to within the boundary of a larger sentence. I really thing that’s a remarkable stretch from anything we’ve seen. I consider that to be remarkable to consider that justified.

Of course, I’ve been wrong before. I just don’t feel like I’ve been proven wrong here quite yet.


charghwI’ ‘utlh
(ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 10:00 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 6/12/2022 8:44 AM, Will Martin wrote:
>> What you’ve written is not grammatically valid. You can’t put a Sentence As Object in the middle of a larger sentence. The {-‘e’} always refers back to a preceding sentence, not to an encapsulated one. One is forced to have the {-‘e’} skip back to the previous sentence, not place the previous sentence into the middle of the larger sentence. Like I said, it’s ugly.
>>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 3:43 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com <mailto:de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> {QuchchoH Hoch, tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'chu' 'e' chavlu'chugh}
> This sentence is perfectly grammatical. It consists of a main clause (QuchchoH Hoch everybody becomes happy) and a subordinate clause (tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'chu' 'e' chavlu'chugh if one achieves learning Klingon perfectly). The subordinate clause in turn consists of a subordinated clause ('e' chavlu'chugh if one achieves that) whose object pronoun's antecedent (tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'chu' one learns Klingon perfectly) comes just before it. That's the rule: the antecedent of 'e' or net comes immediately before the clause containing that object.
> 'e' must refer to the previous independent clause, not the phrase that immediately follows the previous full stop. Again, when Okrand says "sentence" in TKD, this must be read as "verbal clause." Okrand was not publishing a book as specific as you'd like it to be.
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