[tlhIngan Hol] {-'egh} and {-chuq} with {-lu'}

[Steven Boozer]

It’s possible but not common.  In fact, I could find only one example where Okrand used {-lu} with either {-‘egh} or {-chuq} on the same verb:

  potlhbe'chugh yay qatlh pe''eghlu'?
  If winning is not important, then why keep score? (TKW)

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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of André Müller

One cannot use {-'egh} with a verb that is intransitive, except when adding another suffix like {-moH}. Especially stative verbs don't work alone with {'-egh}. You can perform an action unto yourself, or many people can perform an action unto each other. So it does break a direct rule, and doesn't make sense semantically. It's like *{Qong'egh} or *{Qongchuq}.

Quchlu' = someone is happy
*Quch'egh = she is happy *oneself; they are happy *themselves
*Quch'eghlu' = someone is happy *oneself
*Quchchuq = they are happy *each other
*Quchchuqlu' = some people are happy *each other

The asterisk marks the ungrammaticality here.

But with {-moH} it works just fine. For brevity I just pick one translation per line (using she/her), but of course a zero prefix can mean many things:

QuchmoH = she makes her happy
QuchmoHlu' = someone makes her happy
Quch'eghmoH = she makes herself happy
QuchchuqmoH = they make themselves happy
Quch'eghmoHlu' = someone makes themself/themselves happy
QuchchuqmoHlu' = some people make each other happy

Now with a fully transitive verb such as {legh} everything would work:

legh = she sees (her)
leghlu' = someone sees her
legh'egh = she sees herself
leghchuq = they see themselves
legh'eghlu' = someone sees themself
leghchuqlu' = some people see themselves
(etc.)

Am Di., 14. Sept. 2021 um 14:20 Uhr schrieb mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com>>:
Is there anything strange in using {-'egh}/{-chuq} with {-lu'}?
   Quch'eghlu'
   QuchchuqmoHlu'

I don't see anything grammatically wrong, but using {-'egh}/{-chuq} with {-lu'}, gives me the feeling as in using {-lu'} with {-wI'} (e.g. HIvlu'wI'), which although it doesn't break any rules, it's something we don't actually use.

~ Dana'an
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