[tlhIngan Hol] 'eSpanya' QISmaS (Beginner's text and questions)

[DloraH]

This talk about whether Klingons use a 12 hour x2 clock...
I think it is quite a Western Earth civilization based assumption that
Klingons would have a 12 hour x2 clock.  Since they apparently like the
number 3, why not 1 through 8 three times?
1-8, 1-8, 1-8; instead of 1-12, 1-12.

I will also point out that in Thailand, they break it into four
sections.
1-6, 1-6, 1-6, 1-6.
What we call 8pm would be another 2 O'clock.
Stuff like a train schedule are done with a 24 hour clock.


- DloraH


On Thu, 2021-11-25 at 10:23 +0100, De'vID wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 03:23, Alan Anderson <qunchuy at alcaco.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Probably.
> > 
> > HolQeD 8:1 included a "Maltz Online" section which reprinted some
> > of Marc
> > Okrand's comments in places like the MSN expertform newsgroup. One
> > of the
> > comments was the one answering the question "What time is it?" The
> > relevant
> > excerpt is
> > 
> > > 
> > > *cha'logh Qoylu'pu*This is literally *Someone has heard it twice*
> > > or *It
> > > has been heard twice.* This is the Klingon equivalent to "It's
> > > two
> > > o'clock." Originally, this was a statement of time in the
> > > traditional
> > > Klingon system, but it is now also used for the 24-hour system.
> > 
> > [The "traditional Klingon system" is speculated about, but never
> > quite
> > explained.]
> > 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 at 04:22, Will Martin <willmartin2 at mac.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > That’s a rather succinct challenge. Any evidence? Has there been
> > any
> > {Qoylu’} references in canon of a PM time?
> > 
> 
> The quoted snippet from the HolQeD article says "Originally, this was
> a
> statement of time in the traditional Klingon system, but it is now
> also
> used for the 24-hour system." That seems to support the claim that
> {Qoylu'pu'} is *probably* used with the 24-hour clock rather than the
> 12-hour one, because we're not told anywhere that it's used with the
> 12-hour system (unless the "traditional Klingon system" happens to be
> a
> 12-hour one, which seems unlikely). The quoted sentence comes right
> after
> the {cha'logh Qoylu'pu'} example, which it says means "two o'clock"
> (which
> the quoted sentence thus establishes as 2 a.m. rather than 2 p.m.).
> 
> The article begins by stating in the second paragraph that "There are
> 24
> hours in a day", with no mention of a 12-hour system. The only other
> example is {chorghlogh Qoylu'pu'} "eight o'clock". Since the only
> examples
> we have are for hours less than 12, we don't have any examples of a a
> p.m.
> time.
> 
> But let's turn this around. The article says the system is used with
> a
> 24-hour clock. Is there any evidence that it's used with a 12-hour
> one? If
> so, how does one distinguish "2 a.m." from "2 p.m."?
> 
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