[tlhIngan Hol] 'eSpanya' QISmaS (Beginner's text and questions)

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Thu Nov 25 07:00:10 PST 2021

It says that it is “also” used with the 24 hour system. You can’t have “also” without an alternative. Likely, Okrand did this to cover his butt if he forgot about 24 hours and gave a PM hour less than 12, and maybe to cover the rest of our butts as well.

You can tell 2:00am from 2:00pm by looking out a window. 2:00am is dark.

> On Nov 25, 2021, at 4:25 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 03:23, Alan Anderson <qunchuy at alcaco.net> wrote:
>> Probably.
>> HolQeD 8:1 included a "Maltz Online" section which reprinted some of Marc Okrand's comments in places like the MSN expertform newsgroup. One of the comments was the one answering the question "What time is it?" The relevant excerpt is
>>> cha'logh Qoylu'pu
>>> This is literally Someone has heard it twice or It has been heard twice. This is the Klingon equivalent to "It's two o'clock." Originally, this was a statement of time in the traditional Klingon system, but it is now also used for the 24-hour system. 
>> [The "traditional Klingon system" is speculated about, but never quite explained.]
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 at 04:22, Will Martin <willmartin2 at mac.com> wrote:
>> That’s a rather succinct challenge. Any evidence? Has there been any {Qoylu’} references in canon of a PM time?
> The quoted snippet from the HolQeD article says "Originally, this was a statement of time in the traditional Klingon system, but it is now also used for the 24-hour system." That seems to support the claim that {Qoylu'pu'} is *probably* used with the 24-hour clock rather than the 12-hour one, because we're not told anywhere that it's used with the 12-hour system (unless the "traditional Klingon system" happens to be a 12-hour one, which seems unlikely). The quoted sentence comes right after the {cha'logh Qoylu'pu'} example, which it says means "two o'clock" (which the quoted sentence thus establishes as 2 a.m. rather than 2 p.m.).
> The article begins by stating in the second paragraph that "There are 24 hours in a day", with no mention of a 12-hour system. The only other example is {chorghlogh Qoylu'pu'} "eight o'clock". Since the only examples we have are for hours less than 12, we don't have any examples of a a p.m. time. 
> But let's turn this around. The article says the system is used with a 24-hour clock. Is there any evidence that it's used with a 12-hour one? If so, how does one distinguish "2 a.m." from "2 p.m."?
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