[tlhIngan Hol] {-vaD} "for the benefit of"

[SuStel]

On 11/3/2021 11:37 PM, Scott D. Randel wrote:
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
>
> However, I was not asking for an explanation of the definition, which 
> I understand. I was asking if anybody could tell me where the 
> definition “for the benefit of” originated, as TKD defines {-vaD} 
> simply as “for, intended for.”
>
But it doesn't define *-vaD* simply as /for, intended for./ It defines 
it by saying, "This suffix indicates that the noun to which it is 
attached is in some way the beneficiary of the action, the person or 
thing for whom or for which the activity occurs." A beneficiary is 
someone who receives a benefit. The verb occurs for or to the benefit of 
the noun marked by *-vaD.*


> *From:*tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *SuStel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:14 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {-vaD} "for the benefit of"
>
> On 11/2/2021 2:01 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
>
>     Am 02.11.2021 um 04:57 schrieb Scott D. Randel:
>
>     I have asked several people where they learned that meaning, and all
>     they could tell me was that they read or heard that definition
>     long ago.
>     TKD does not use that wording. Does anybody here translate it this
>     way,
>     and if so, do you know where you learned that definition?
>
>
>     I guess it is derived from the word benificiary, which TKD really
>     uses.
>
>     “This suffix indicates that the noun to which it is attached is in
>     some
>     way the beneficiary of the action, the person or thing for whom or
>     for
>     which the activity occurs.”
>
>     I'm not sure if there is a difference between "beneficiary of" and
>     "benefit of".
>
> And in that quotation is a definition of the word. A beneficiary is a 
> person or thing that receives a benefit.
>
> *Qu'vaD lI' De'vam*/This information is useful for the mission./ The 
> mission receives the benefit of the information's usefulness.
>
> *SoSDajvaD HaDqu' be'Hom*/The girl studies hard for her mother./ The 
> mother receives the benefit of knowing the girl is trying to do well 
> in her studies.
>
> *qama'vaD taj nob 'avwI'*/The guard gives the prisoner a knife./ The 
> prisoner receives the benefit of possessing an object. This particular 
> use also maps onto the concept of indirect object, and is described in 
> the addendum to TKD as thus.
>
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