[tlhIngan Hol] difference between someone somebody and vay'

Steven Boozer sboozer at uchicago.edu
Tue Mar 30 13:46:31 PDT 2021

mayqel, sometimes {vay'} isn't translated by "someone/anyone" or "something/anything" at all:

qeylIS'e' lIjlaHbe'bogh vay' 
Kahless the Unforgettable  (S8)

vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh 
Conquer what you desire. (TKW)

vay' DaghIjlaHchugh bIHoSghaj 
Fear is power. (TKW)

batlh Heghlu'chugh noDnISbe' vay' 
An honorable death requires no vengeance. (TKW)

vay' DalarghDI' yIqaw 
Remember the scent. (TKW)

pIj monchugh vay' yIvoqQo' 
Don't trust those who frequently smile. (TKW)

chIch vay' 'oy'moHmeH 'oy'naQ 'ul law' tlhuD 'oH 
Painstiks... emit a highly-charged shock for the express
 purpose of inflicting pain. (S32)

HoSHal ghajchugh vay', mI' naghmey tIronmoH. wa'maHlogh 
boq'egh mI' naghmey; chen qav'ap. ghajwI'vaD qav'ap yIDIl. 
If [energy source is] owned, throw dice and pay owner a total
 ten times amount shown. (MKE)

Duj ghajchugh vay', cha'logh boq'egh qav'ap motlh; chen qav'ap le'.
 ghajwI'vaD qav'ap le' yIDIl. 
If [ship is] owned, pay owner twice the rental to which they are
 otherwise entitled. (MKE)

 yab matlh muvchuqghach Sorgh vay' 'e' vIbotjaj. 
Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments. (Sonnet 116)


---------------------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------------
From: Lieven L. Litaer

Am 30.03.2021 um 15:09 schrieb SuStel:
> Okrand wasn't looking for every synonym for /somebody/ when he wrote 
> that gloss. Since /somebody/ and /someone /are more or less 
> interchangeable, he just included one of them.

I found one canon example showing that Okrand exchanged those words without thinking of the difference:

  naDev vay' DaSov'a'?
  Do you know anyone here? (CK)

If there were an important difference, this should be "Do you know ANYBODY here?"

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