[tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Sam

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> So maybe that has a different name in English,
> possible. I don't know. I guess Maltz also does
> not know.

I'm assuming that this word isn't well-known among Klingons, so that one would have to provide some explanation of what one means when communicating with a general audience.

Among those Klingons who do know what it is, their understanding would probably vary depending on how they were introduced to the term.

For our purposes, I suppose the safest gloss to go with is whatever was used when posing the question to Okrand.

//loghaD
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of Lieven L. Litaer <levinius at gmx.de>
Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 3:03:48 PM
To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Sam

To my previous email of below, I must make some addition after speaking
to the requester of this word for shawn.

Th point is, like Will said, a shawn is a medieval wood blow instrument.
The thing that Okrand plays in the mentioned video is not such an
instrument, it's one technically called "Martins-trumpet", but due to
its similar sound of a shawn, everybody in Germany calls it a shawn.
This usage has become so common that nobody would call it incorrect.

So important for us Klingonists is to know that indeed {Sam} is "shawm"
and in first place refers to that medieval instrument, but it can also,
in addition, be used for the "martin's trumpet" (which everybody calls a
shawn in Germany).

> Am 30.06.2021 um 00:15 schrieb Will Martin:
>> FWI, that thing might be a {Sam}, but it is NOT a shawm. They didn’t
>> have valves in Medieval and Renaissance times, and a shawm had ONE bell,
>> not one for each note, and a shawm is a wooden instrument, not a metal
>> one.

Am 03.07.2021 um 14:40 schrieb Lieven L. Litaer:

> BUT... The thing that Okrand is playing here really is *some kind of*
> shawm.
>
> I am not an expert, but I'll try to explain: The German word for shawm
> is Schalmei, and that originally referred to what you desscribed, the
> mideval thing made of wood with only one pipe. But over time, that
> device developped, was combined with more pipes and was made of metal.
>
> So maybe that has a different name in English, possible. I don't know. I
> guess Maltz also does not know.
>
> But anyhow: This device we see here is no doubt called "Schalmei" in
> German, the English word we found for it is "shawm" and Maltz just
> called it {Sam}.
>
> So whatever you call that device Okrand plays in the video, Maltz calls
> it {Sam}.
>
> (And honestly, I'm curious to find out what it's called in English).
>
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