[tlhIngan Hol] is the choice between -Daq and -vaD influenced by the way something is given?

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Feb 15 05:35:28 PST 2021

On 2/15/2021 8:10 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
> Read the following:
> yaSvaD taj vInob
> I give the knife to the officer
> yaSvaD taj vIqem
> I give the knife to the officer by bringing it to him

You might give the knife to the officer, but you don't say so in this 
sentence. This sentence just says you bring the knife to the officer. 
Whether the officer picks it up after you bring it is another sentence.

> yaSvaD taj vIngeH
> I give the knife to the officer by sending it to him
> So when giving something to someone we use the {-vaD} regardless 
> whether we bring it to him, or send it to him.

No. We use *-vaD* when we want to specify the recipient or beneficiary 
of the verb. When you're specifying a recipient, this role is called the 
/indirect object./

> But would we use the {-vaD} too even if we threw the knife to him?
> Ha'DIbaHvaD chuvmey vIvo'
> I give the leftovers to the animal by throwing them to it

You propel he leftovers, intending them to be received by the animal. 
That's a perfectly good use of the indirect object.

> Would this sentence be correct, or does the {vo'} change something, 
> thus making the choice of {-vaD} wrong?
> I don't see any reason for the choice between {-Daq} and {-vaD} to be 
> influenced by the way something is given, but I'd like to verify this.

If you said *Ha'DIbaHDaq chuvmey vIvo' */I throw the leftovers at the 
animal,/ then grammatically the animal is a target, not a recipient. You 
might intend this lobbing of leftovers as an act of giving, and this 
might come across in context, but it's not expressed in the sentence.

*-Daq* means a location. *-vaD* means a recipient or other beneficiary. 
It's not about what verb you use.


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