[tlhIngan Hol] two klorns of bloodwine, a bottle of water

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Thu Apr 29 06:28:19 PDT 2021


I agree with the consensus here and just want to point out that unless there’s a standard size for a jug, it can’t really be used as a unit of measure, so counting them doesn’t make a lot of sense.

{tlho’ren} (klorn) is a unit measure of volume. {bIQ bal} is not.

Of course, with a given context, you could be at a bar pointing to a specific {bIQ bal} and say {wej bIQ balvetlh}, but there is no known standard size for a {bIQ bal}.

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> On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:10 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> 
> On 4/29/2021 2:47 AM, De'vID wrote:
>> This is a question that came up over on the Discord server. I thought it would be good to open it up to more opinions and have the discussion archived on the mailing list.
>> 
>> How would you say "two klorns of bloodwine"? For example, "I want to drink two klorns of bloodwine"?
>> 
>> How would you say "a jug of water" (or "three jugs of water", etc ), meaning water served in a water jug. (That is, how would you refer to the water in the water jug, and not the jug itself, bearing in mind that {bIQ bal} is defined as "water jug" in KGT.) 
>> 
>> Can the noun-noun construction (N1-N2 = N2 of the N1) be used here?
>> 
>> (For the sake of the argument, let's say that context alone isn't sufficient to distinguish between a jug full of water from an empty water jug.)
> 
> bIQ is a mass noun, so saying bal bIQ jug-water would also be a mass noun. Without special rules, you couldn't make it countable. In English, water is usually a mass noun, but it can be made countable when referring to a serving of water, so that you can say three waters. I do not assume you can do that in Klingon without word from Maltz. But you can certainly say bal bIQ vItlhutlh vIneH I want to drink jug-water; I want to drink water from a jug.
> 
> Otherwise, I'd go for the lengthier, but uncontroversial, bIQ ngaSbogh wej bal three jugs containing water/water contained in three jugs, and cha' tlho'ren muqbogh 'Iw HIq bloodwine having a volume of two klorns.
> 
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