[tlhIngan Hol] useless useless {loch} verb

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Apr 26 06:08:13 PDT 2021

On 4/23/2021 5:18 PM, Will Martin wrote:
> Okay, the weird thing is that {wej loch cha’} is grammatically, a 
> complete sentence. So, “2/3” is a complete sentence.
> wejpuH.
> So, how do you USE this complete sentence within another complete 
> sentence?
> Dujmeymaj wej lochbogh cha’ Qaw’ta’ jagh?
> Dujmeymaj’e’ Qaw'bogh jagh toghmeH wej loch cha’?
> I don’t see how to use it grammatically like a number, or an adjective 
> to apply it to a noun, which is generally what we want to apply it to.
> I get the feeling that this is like speech or like comparisons, in 
> that it involves some special grammar we have not been introduced to yet.

Who said it's supposed to be used within another complete sentence?

We have things like *wej boq cha'*/two plus three/ which aren't 
themselves used inside other sentences; why should *wej loch cha'* do so?

The difference between *wej boq cha'* and *wej loch cha'* is that *wej 
boq cha'* has a response: *chen vagh.* *wej loch cha'* has no equivalent 
response, unless it's *chen pagh vI' jav jav jav 'ej reH taH javmey.* 
But neither form is directly usable in another sentence, and no one has 
complained about *wej boq cha'* before.

I would not be at all surprised if the way to say /two-thirds of a pie/ 
were *wej lochbogh cha' chab.* But we don't know that.


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