On 9/17/2020 7:57 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: > quv luHutlh'eghmoHpu' romuluSngan > the romulans caused themselves to lack honor > > lugh'a' mu'tlheghvam ? Qap'a' {-'eghmoH} lo'vam ? Is this not just a retread of the question of whether a reflexive verb can have an object? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name