# [tlhIngan Hol] weight of cheb

mayqel qunen'oS mihkoun at gmail.com
Thu Oct 29 05:56:58 PDT 2020

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https://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/2012/March/msg00137.html QIn naQ
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From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] juvmeH mu'
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:35:07 +0100

> ULTIMATE CONCLUSION:
> Our previous conclusion has been re-confirmed to great accuracy.
> Also, Marc shows great consistency in his use of the 'uj.

maj.  I must've either done the calculation, or gotten the value from
someone else who had done so.  {'uj} = 34.83 cm is settled then.  This
also makes an {'uj'a'} = 313.47 cm if I'm not mistaken.

> A kilogram is specifically a measure of mass, rather than force,
> so it should be mass if the gloss is to be taken literally. However,
> it is sometimes used colloquially in expressions like "On the moon,
> I'd only weigh about 15 kg!"

Unfortunately, the canon uses of {cheb}/{cheb'a'} confuse weight and mass.

>From msn.onstage.startrek.expert.okrand:
http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-10-22-news.txt
"A common unit of weight is <cheb>, which is around five pounds (2.25
kg or so)."

>From the Bird-of-Prey poster:
{wejvatlh SochmaH vagh SaD cheb'a'mey ngI' Duj}
"Mass: 8.7KT lit. The ship has a weight of 375,000 cheb'a'."

Assuming KT = kiloton = 1000 tons, there's still the problem of
whether a "ton" is:

(1) "long" (or "imperial") ton: 2240 lb / 1016.047 kg
(2) "short" ton: 2000 lb / 907.185 kg
(3) metric ton: (or "tonne"): 2204.62 lb / 1000 kg

There's also the question of whether a {cheb'a'} is (A) 9 {cheb} or
(B) 10 {cheb} (or maybe even some other multiple).

The possibilities are:
(A1) 5.774 lb / 2.619 kg
(A2) 5.156 lb / 2.339 kg
(A3) 5.683 lb / 2.578 kg
(B1) 5.197 lb / 2.357 kg
(B2) 4.64 lb / 2.105 kg
(B3) 5.115 lb / 2.32 kg

None of these are particularly close to the state value of around 5 lb
/ 2.25 kg.  However, I might've made a mistake somewhere, so someone

It seems that common usage in the USA is to short the short ton (2000
lb), in which case (A2) appears to be the correct scenario: a {cheb}
is 5.156 lb / 2.339 kg, and a {cheb'a'} is 46.4 lb / 21.05 kg.

'anan naHQun:
> Doesn't DloraH have a chart on-line somewhere?
>
> I tried looking for it, but failed.
>
> I've always used those measurements when doing any conversions.

I managed to locate these two pages:
https://65.13.120.12/tlhIngan/cheb-uj.htm
http://klingon.wikia.com/wiki/juvmeH_'op

However, neither of them explain how they decided on their values of
{cheb} and {cheb'a'}.  Furthermore, they contradict each other.

DloraH's site has: {cheb} = 4.96 lb / 2.25 kg
the Wikia site has: {cheb} = 1.008 lb / 2.27 kg

The only thing I have to go on is the two canonical uses cited above.

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De'vID
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