[tlhIngan Hol] info on {quv HIja'chuqQo'}: it's an error

De'vID de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com
Wed Oct 14 08:36:18 PDT 2020

The following is a snippet from my discussion with Dr. Okrand about the
paq'batlh. The quoted text is me, and the reply is his.

> On p.156-157, there is this sentence:
> > {quv HIja'chuqQo'}
> > "Don't speak to me of honor!"
> >
> > According to TKD 6.2.4 (p.65), "The verb is made up of {ja'} /tell/,
> {-chuq} /each other/; thus, /confer/ is /tell each other./" However, in TKD
> 4.2.1 (p.36), it's stated of {-chuq} that "The prefix set indicating 'no
> object' is used when this suffix is used."
> >
> > The imperative prefix {HI-} indicates an object ("me"). But if a prefix
> indicating "no object" is used, then {quv} has no grammatical role and is
> just left hanging in the sentence.
> >
> > What's going on here? Has {ja'chuq} become a lexicalised verb meaning
> "discuss", which makes it possible to use with a prefix like {HI-}? Even
> so, the prefix is apparently incompatible with the object. Is this an
> example of the "prefix trick", on top of {ja'chuq} being a lexicalised
> verb? That is, if the sentence had been {quv HIjatlhQo'}, it could've been
> a shorthand for {jIHvaD quv yIjatlhQo'}.
> >
> > There's something strange that's going on with this sentence that I
> think requires clarification.
> >>> I think rather than clarification it requires revision. I think the
> verb {ja'chuq}, glossed in TKD as "discuss, confer," was used
> inappropriately here. The "discuss" that {ja'chuq} is used for is when
> there are two (or more) people talking to each other, a back-and-forth
> conversation. In the sentence in the paq'batlh, no discussion of this kind
> is going on.  Molor is just telling Kahless not to do something; Kahless
> doesn't come back with a counterargument. Since there's no discussing (or
> conferring) going on, {ja'chuq} is the wrong verb.

I can confirm this sentence is an error and will be changed in the 2nd

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