[tlhIngan Hol] beware greeks bearing gifts

[Will Martin]

[Head smack!]

vabDot! I totally ignored {vabDot}. My bad. I actually typed it while ignoring it.

[sigh]

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Will Martin <willmartin2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I love the way we dig ever deeper into any given topic. Going back to the Latin. YESSSSS!
> 
> I like the translation, but it loses the bit about EVEN when they bear gifts. It sounds like you only fear them when they bear gifts. So… consider:
> 
> vabDot nob qemchugh ‘elaDya’ngan, mughIjHa’be’ ‘elaDya'nganvetlh.
> 
> charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan
> 
> rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:11 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 11/10/2020 11:44 AM, SuStel wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2020 11:35 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote: 
>>>> And for the topic, don't forget TKW, p. 189: 
>>>> 
>>>> {nobmey qembogh yIrIDnganpu''e' yIvoqQo'.} 
>>>> "Don't trust Yridians who bring gifts." 
>>>> 
>>>> Which uses the -'e' suffix to avoid ambiguity, but does a prefix error.
>>> 
>>> nob qembogh 'elaDya'ngan tIvoqQo'. 
>>> 
>>> Combining all the best parts. 
>>> 
>> Just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes>
>> The original sentence is in Latin: Timeo Danaos et ferentes, which literally means I fear the Danaans [Greeks], even though         bearing gifts or even when they bear gifts.
>> 
>> A Klingon translation more true to the original (but I won't keep the ancient name) might be:
>> 
>> mughIj 'elaDya'ngan, vabDot nob qemDI'.
>> 
>> -- 
>> SuStel
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