[tlhIngan Hol] sao and to be sentences

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Mon Jun 29 10:39:21 PDT 2020


I want to thank SuStel and Lieven for very thoughtful responses here. Many with high expertise in the language would not have made this deeper second pass on the issue at hand.

While Okrand is the defined “decider” on all things Klingon, the KLI is the steward of the language on his behalf. I think the language is in good hands.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 8:47 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> 
> On 6/29/2020 8:22 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>> Suppose we write:
>> 
>> romuluS wo' wIQaw'chu' 'e' 'oHbe' ngoQmaj'e'
>> our goal isn't to annihilate the romulan empire
>> 
>> Would there be a problem with a construction as the above ?
> Unknown.
> 
> 
> 
>> On one hand, I can't be able to see anything grammatically wrong with it,
> Here's what might be wrong with it: 'e' can only be an object. We don't know if the first noun in a "to be" sentence is considered an object.
> 
> The pronoun in a "to be" sentence doesn't "act upon" an object the way a verb does. "To be" sentences are said to have subjects, but in one-noun "to be" sentences, that subject is the pronoun itself, while in two-noun "to be" sentences, the subject is the topic noun. So the terminology is very imprecise and unreliable.
> 
> And even if we decide to call the first noun an object (just as in English we can have objects of things that aren't verbs, like objects of prepositions), the description of 'e' and net say "They are always treated as the object of the verb..." There is no verb in a "to be" sentence.
> 
> So while it's not impossible that 'e' could go with a "to be" sentence, there is no indication that this ever happens.
> 
> Besides, in your example you can say the much simpler romuluS wo' Qaw'chu'ghach 'oHbe' ngoQmaj'e' Our goal is not the annihilation of the Romulan Empire.
> 
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> SuStel
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