[tlhIngan Hol] among the various time telling methods is there a formal one

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Wed Jul 29 08:54:04 PDT 2020

And just to add one more log on the fire, do we know for sure that the {pumpu’} version of telling time stops at 12?

I mean the “Hundred hours” method definitely counts to “twenty nine hundred hours” before zeroing out at midnight, but does {pumpu’} reset to “once” after noon? I think we assume this to be the case, but I don’t remember that being explicitly noted.

Please tell me that it IS explicitly noted. I just don’t remember it being so.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:12 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 7/27/2020 7:54 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>> I've been going through the various time telling methods.
>> method #1:
>> (from: "maltz online", HolQeD 8:1, pages 7-12)
>> tera' rep loS wejmaH
>> "Earth hour 4:30"
>> method #2:
>> (same source)
>> cha'logh Qoylu'pu'.
>> method #3:
>> (Eurotalk TalkNow! Klingon)
>> Five to twelve (11:55) a.m.
>> wa'maH wa'vatlh vaghmaH vagh rep
>> 11:55 p.m. (23:55)
>> cha'maH wejvatlh vaghmaH vagh rep
>> As far as the first two methods are concerned, I read okrand's
>> explanation with regards to when they are to be used and/or how and
>> why each method originated. Strangely though, I didn't see in the
>> eurotalk any description as to when this specific method of telling
>> time is to be used, or how it originated in the first place.
>> Which brings me to the question of this post..
>> Among the various time telling methods, is there a method which is
>> supposed to be used in more formal settings than the rest ?
>> And when I say "formal settings" I mean weddings, court trials,
>> religious texts, etc.
> "Formal" and "traditional" isn't the right way to categorize this. In the Maltz Online article, Okrand says that Klingons use the tera' rep twenty-four hour system "in dealing with time in interplanetary communication." He says "in nonmilitary contexts (rare as these may be) and situations where interplanetary communication is not a concern," Klingons' "most common" method is the Qoylu'pu' style. Neither the Conversational Klingon style nor the expanded version of it in TalkNow! are given contexts in which they are used. CK simply says "Klingons have adopted the way most civilized planets in the galaxy tell time."
> So we have the information that MOST time-telling is in a military context and uses SOME kind of twenty-four hour system. We have two different versions of these, putting the word rep either before or after the numbers, one of which also includes vatlh. We don't know for sure whether the vatlh version is used specifically in military contexts; I would guess that it is. It seems to simply be a slightly different formation.
> So my guesses would be:
> Weddings: Qoylu'pu' style, unless the wedding takes place on a ship or military installation.
> Court Trials: I find it hard to believe that Klingons have any nonmilitary courts, so I would expect one of the 24-hour styles.
> Religious Texts: Klingons clearly didn't adopt 24-hour time until they got to know Humans, so ancient religious texts would obviously use Qoylu'pu' style, unless there were some other style we don't know about. Religion to Klingons seems to be separate from the military, so I would guess even modern religious texts would use Qoylu'pu' style. However, we know that Klingon religion extends to Klingon planets beyond Kronos, so maybe this would be a case for an interplanetary 24-hour system. "Interplanetary" might have meant "between Klingon planets and non-Klingon planets," in which case one wonders whether Klingon monks would bother using 24-hour time.
> Note also in CK that Klingons use 24-hour time with Terran tourists and that tourists' movements are restricted on Klingon planets. It's possible that different areas of a Klingon planet use different nonmilitary time systems to accommodate the locals.
> I would also expect each planet to bend the rules to accommodate varying planetary rotation speeds.
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