[tlhIngan Hol] placement of rIntaH relative to the verb

[nIqolay Q]

The discussion of {rIntaH} from TKD:

> The meaning of {-ta'} can also be indicated syntactically. That is,
> instead of using the suffix {-ta',} a special verbal construction can
> follow the verb which indicates the accomplished action. This special verb
> is {rIn} <be finished, accomplished,> and in this usage it always takes the
> suffix {-taH} <continuous> (see below) and the third-person pronominal
> prefix (0).
>

The discussion of {qar'a'} from TKDa:

> This word either follows the verb or else comes at the end of the
> sentence. Both of the following are correct:
>
>     {De' Sov qar'a' HoD}
>     {De' Sov HoD qar'a'} <The captain knows the information, right?>
> ({De'} <information,> {Sov} <he/she knows it,> {HoD} <captain>)
>

MO uses "follow the verb" to refer to the placement of both constructions.
In the {qar'a'} example {De' Sov qar'a' HoD}, the special construction
described as following the verb comes before the explicit subject {HoD}. It
seems reasonable to assume that when MO speaks of a special verb
construction following the verb, he means right after the verb and before
the subject. {rIntaH} is a special verb construction that follows the verb,
so I conclude it would go before the subject: {qa'vam De' je' rIntaH
valQIS.}

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:27 AM SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 1/24/2020 9:00 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>
> Personally, I'd prefer placing it right after the noun, because it**feels** more direct, and the meaning of the sentence becomes
> immediately clearer, especially in cases where we don't have a
> "simple" subject, but a more "complex" one, as for instance noun-noun
> constructions, {-meH}ed nouns, {-bogh}ed nouns, or even an entire
> {-bogh} phrase with it's own subject and object.
>
> Now, one could perhaps argue that klingons wouldn't use "complex" subjects..
>
> Except we see plenty of such subjects. Two examples:
>
>    - Noun-noun, relative clause with subject and object, apposition,
>    title: *yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' **cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh
>    janluq pIqarD HoD* (Skybox S25)
>    - Purpose clause: *jIpaSqu'mo' narghpu' qaSuchmeH 'eb* (newsgroup)
>
> If one argues that Klingons don't use these constructions in subjects, one
> is wrong.
>
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