[tlhIngan Hol] not repeating the 'e' of a sao

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Tue Aug 4 14:14:42 PDT 2020


I had the game. It was more of a video with decision points that changed the outcome.

The device was used by a dishonorable Klingon to attempt an assassination of the hero. It’s discovery was noted with obvious disgust for its cowardice.

As for “Do you have to repeat the object?”, TKD explains that it is more common to repeat words in Klingon for clarity than it is in English, though this repetition is obviously not necessary for grammatical reasons. Okrand is just telling us that if you choose to repeat a word as you have done so, it will not bother Klingon speakers like it might bother English speakers to do the same thing. It is not uncommon in Klingon speech, according to that description, though I’m not sure we’ve actually seen a lot of that in canon. It might have been an idea that Okrand had that he has not actually implemented in canon.

Leaving aside the {nejwI’} I don’t see why your First Question suggestion wouldn’t be allowed, though it might be of limited productivity, since whatever else you do, you’ll be better understood if {‘e’} goes between the sentence it represents and the sentence it serves as object for. Attempts to combine verb conjunctions and SAO might tempt you to compose sentences that would embed the sentence represented by {‘e’} within the sentence using it as an object, and even if this isn’t considered to be illegal grammar, it won’t be easily understood, and it might be considered annoying.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 7:47 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Searching about what the jay' this "romulan hunter-killer probe"
> actually is, I found this:
> 
> https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Klingon_(game)
> 
> I didn't have the time nor the patience to read the entire article,
> but seemingly/apparently the "romulan hunter-killer probe" is indeed a
> "hunter-killer probe which is of romulan design" rather than "a probe
> which hunts and kills romulans".
> 
> But I don't see how this changes something. Lets leave aside the
> {romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'}.
> 
> First question:
> 
> Do we *have* to repeat the object in two different sentences ? If we
> want to say "we hunt enemies and we capture them", then do we need to
> write {jagh DIwam 'ej jagh DIjon} ? Can't we just write {jagh DIwam
> 'ej DIjon} ? And if we *can* indeed write the latter, then why can't
> we write the following too?
> 
> romuluSngan Dujmey Qaw' tlhIngan yo' 'e' luSov 'ej luchaw' tera'ngan
> the terrans know and allow that the klingon fleet destroys the romulan vessels
> 
> We have the {luSov} which has the object of {romuluSngan Dujmey Qaw'
> tlhIngan yo' 'e'}, and then we have the {luchaw' tera'ngan} which has
> exactly the same object.
> 
> How is this grammatically any different from the {jagh DIwam 'ej DIjon} ?
> 
> Second question:
> 
> We want to say: "the romulans helped the enemy which the cardassians
> hunted and captured". Would it be wrong to write {jagh luwampu'bogh
> 'ej lujonpu'bogh qarDaSngan luQaHpu' romuluSngan} ? Is there someone
> here who will say that this sentence is wrong ?
> 
> And since recently it has been shown that the verb of a sao which has
> the {'e'} as it's object, can indeed have type-9 suffixes, then why
> can't we write the following ?
> 
> romuluSngan Dujmey Qaw' tlhIngan yo' 'e' luSovbogh 'ej luchaw'bogh
> tera'ngan DIneH
> we want terrans who know and allow that the klingon fleet destroys
> romulan vessels
> 
> How is this grammatically any different from the {{jagh luwampu'bogh
> 'ej lujonpu'bogh qarDaSngan luQaHpu' romuluSngan} ?
> 
> If there is a grammar reason which makes the above sentences wrong,
> I'm still waiting to hear it. But unless such an explanation is given,
> I see no reason against writing sao's like the ones above.
> 
> ~ Qa'yIn
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