[tlhIngan Hol] missing words from kli's "new words not in the original lexicon"

Felix Malmenbeck felixm at kth.se
Tue Oct 29 12:51:51 PDT 2019


> People started chanting {mu' chu'!} to which
> Okrand laughed and said/gestured "no".
>
> I don't think *{pItlhbe'} belongs in a dictionary
> or word list, even though Okrand did say it,
> because he was obviously joking.

For the record, I'm quite certain those chanting «mu' chu'!» were joking, too.
Well, at least I was, and I think I was the loudest one.

I personally think that both wI'qIy and qabpaq are worth documenting, context and all, so that people can make their own decisions.
(I could see a case be made against qabpaq on the grounds that it was a [more or less] private communication; I don't think that makes it any less interesting, but it does make sharing it a bit more inteusive.)

Glosses should always be treated with a hint of suspicion, anyway; words like qajunpaQ and expressions like «rut yIHmey ghom Hoch.» shouldn't be used in texts dating back to before the Hur'q invasion, and while canonical expressions like 'e'levan and raSber naH may work just fine when communicating with Terran Klingon-speakers who are part of this fairly tightly knot community, the average Klingon probably wouldn't know what you were referring to (unless those two things just happen to be really popular in the Empire).

//loghaD
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:08, David Holt <kenjutsuka at live.com<mailto:kenjutsuka at live.com>> wrote:
> Even as a borrowing, since it's Ca'Non, I think it should be included too.
> As far as the {qabpaq} is concerned, I'm copying-pasting from my notes:
> "From an untranslated FaceBook post from Okrand to Andre (2/11/2014) discussing Burmese languages:
>  Do'Ha' QIp qabpaqwIj. [bama/mIyanma] Hol mu'mey cha'be'. mI'mey neH cha'."

I wouldn't count that as canon.  Is Dr. Okrand never allowed to just have a casual conversation without being careful that he is also making an offical canon pronouncement?  So Dr. Okrand occaionally uses mu'mey ru' and mu'mey ghoQ.  That doesn't make those words canon, it shows us that it's OK to use mu'mey ru' and mu'mey ghoQ.

That reminds me of an incident at Saarbrücken qepHom 2011. Okrand was making an announcement about the paq'batlh, and at the end he exclaimed, {pItlh!} Then someone reminded him of something, and he said, "Oh, *{pItlhbe'}?" People started chanting {mu' chu'!} to which Okrand laughed and said/gestured "no".

I don't think *{pItlhbe'} belongs in a dictionary or word list, even though Okrand did say it, because he was obviously joking.

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De'vID
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