[tlhIngan Hol] x nuq vs nuq x & 'Iv x vs x 'Iv

De'vID de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com
Sun Oct 13 06:53:24 PDT 2019


On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 14:09, Hugh Son puqloD <Hugh at qeylis.net> wrote:

>
> > On Oct 12, 2019, at 06:37, David Holt <kenjutsuka at live.com> wrote:
> >
> > {mI'lIj 'oH nuq'e'?} is grammatical but very odd - it's not really
> wrong, just very weird - a bit like "You were talking with whom?" instead
> of "Who were you talking with?"
>
> I’ve actually wondered about this form on a few occasions. In
> Conversational Klingon, one of the speech samples of the unidentified
> dialect which resembles Morskan is: {Sojvets 'o nuq}, and it’s explained
> that this sentence rendered in the standard dialect would be {Sojvetlh 'oH
> nuq'e'}. The form is, of course, identical to the canonical Morskan
> sentence {Dujvets 'o nuq} from Star Trek VI, so it can be presumed that
> that sentence would be {Dujvetlh 'oH nuq'e'} in {ta' Hol}.
>
> However, outside of these examples, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a
> canonical question in the form {<noun> 'oH <question pronoun>'e'}. I
> suppose the examples of the other forms we have like {nuq 'oH ponglIj'e'}
> and {HoD 'Iv} are pretty rare so that could just be due to small sample
> size.
>

{DevwI' ghaH 'Iv'e'} was in the shooting script for Star Trek Into
Darkness. This was overdubbed into {jIvuylaH; jIve'} in the finished
version of the film, but the original line was written by Okrand, and
appears in some bonus features / documentaries. It is, however, spoken by
Uhura and not a Klingon, though we're told that this version of Uhura is
fluent (or at least competent) in Klingon. Since it was cut, it's not
canon, but it may give some indication of what Okrand thinks of the {<noun>
<pronoun> <question pronoun>'e'} pattern.

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De'vID
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