[tlhIngan Hol] when -laH cripples the -lu'

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Mar 18 10:19:22 PDT 2019

On 3/18/2019 1:10 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
> Or, "all is -lu' good for..".
> Suppose I want to write a long passage with the subject of lets say 
> training, and whether someone who has a demanding day job, can 
> actually do serious training.
> Naturally, during this passage, I will need to say a lot "someone who 
> has a demanding job.. someone who works many hours a day.. someone who 
> is often tired.. someone who is able or unable to simultaneously 
> train, and so on..".
> And naturally my choice would be, since I'm writing about someone 
> unspecified, to use -lu'.
> But here starts the problem.. One can't use simultaneously -lu' and -laH.
> On the other hand, in a long passage where in order to refer to 
> "someone" the -lu' is used, it is not advised to be constantly 
> switching from -lu' to vay', when the need to say "someone is/isn't 
> able to do whatever".
> So, in a long passage, the only way to avoid this problem is either 
> using only vay' from the start, or just saying wa' nuv, to refer to "a 
> person".
> Meaning, that unfortunately all is -lu' really good for, is to produce 
> the equivalent of passive voice, in a language which doesn't have a 
> passive voice, to start with..
You'd have to show me your attempt before I thought this was a problem. 
In a long passage I would expect the writer to start using specific 
nouns: *vumqu'wI'*/hard worker,/ *Hoch jaj qaStaHvIS rep law' vumbogh 
ghot*/person who works for many hours a day,/ *Doy'wI'*/tired one,/ 
*qeqlaHbe'wI'*/one who cannot train./

I use *-lu'* all the time, and not regularly to translate English 
passive voice.

Show me a text you want to translate that you think runs into an 
irreconcilable *-lu'/laH* clash.


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