[tlhIngan Hol] naDev and 'el

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Mar 11 10:24:23 PDT 2019

On 3/11/2019 1:18 PM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
> Am 11.03.2019 um 17:11 schrieb SuStel:
>> It's awkward in English to say /enter here;/ 
> In this entire discussion, this is what is my question:
> can you really {'el} the {naDev}?
> I think of {'el} as "going into an enclosed area". Even the sector 
> does not have walls around it, but it has an invisible or imagined 
> border. "here" does not have a set border, it's more like a spot, 
> wherever you point your finger at.
> Perhaps that's the reason why it sounds awkward.
> Unless I have missed a relevant canon example. 

*naDev* and /here/ are deitic, completely dependent on surrounding 
context to have meaning. Whatever /here/ or *naDev* you're referring to 
has the properties of that place. If /here/ or *naDev* is a box, then 
it's got the properties of a box.

I don't know if *naDev vI'el* is awkward in Klingon, but if it is, it's 
probably because of the usual redundancy of locative-sense verbs having 
locative-marked objects. *naDev* is not marked locative, but it's always 
locative anyway.


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