[tlhIngan Hol] Is DIn the opposite of qa'rI' ?

[Will Martin]

I’d like to modify what I said about {vegh}. I think it means to pass from an open space to an enclosed space, AND THEN TO AN OPEN SPACE. You don’t {vegh} into a space. You {vegh} THROUGH a space. You can {vegh} through a doorway or through a tunnel. If you go into a tunnel and you stay there, then you didn’t finish {vegh}ing.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.




> On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Will Martin <willmartin2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Consider that in English a doorway could be called an “entrance” or an “exit” depending upon whether you are outside of the space you might enter or inside the space that you might exit. I think this is the difference between {DIn} and {qa’rI’}.
> 
> If you are in a corridor, tunnel, conduit, jeffries tube, sewer, road, bridge, long field, etc. and you point to that transitional location that would take you outside the bounds of that named place you are in, you are pointing to the {qa’rI’}. If you are outside of the corridor, tunnel, jeffries tube, or sewer, pointing to the transitional location that would take you into that named space, you’d be pointing to a {DIn}. Does {DIn} work for the transitional area to a road, bridge, or long field? Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn’t think so.
> 
> Basically, I think you’d {vegh} a {DIn}. You wouldn’t {vegh} a {qa’rI’}. {vegh} implies going from an open space into an enclosed space, even if the enclosed space is a hole in a wall between two open spaces. It does not imply going from an enclosed space to an open space.
> 
> In any case, I think the difference between the two words has less to do with whether the space is open or enclosed and more to do with whether you are identifying the space from within it or from the outside.
> 
> charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan
> 
> rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:17 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0 at gmail.com <mailto:niqolay0 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't consider them opposites. They talk about two different things with some conceptual overlap. A tunnel could have a DIn at each qa'rI', for instance. And that tunnel could have a DIn in the middle (like a T-intersection) and not at a qa'rI'.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:36 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> DIn (n) "open entryway (to corridor, tunnel, conduit, jeffries tube,
>> branch of sewer)"
>> 
>> qa'rI' (n) "end (of corridor, tunnel, conduit, jeffries tube, sewer,
>> road, bridge, long field, etc)"
>> 
>> Would you (yes *you*, you who are reading this), consider that DIn (n)
>> is the opposite of qa'rI' (n) ?
>> 
>> Because, seemingly/apparently, DIn (n) has to do *only* with enclosed
>> spaces, whereas qa'rI' (n) refers to open spaces as well.
>> 
>> ~ m. qunen'oS
>> I find transliteration disturbing
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