[tlhIngan Hol] placing {-lu'} on {'oH} and {ghaH}

Lieven L. Litaer levinius at gmx.de
Sun Jul 7 23:23:21 PDT 2019

Am 07.07.2019 um 23:15 schrieb SuStel:
> We clearly don't all know, since Lieven claimed that *-lu'* "reverse the
> object-subject."

I can't leave this uncommented in the archives, as it seems I am saying
something completely wrong. TKD says clearly:
Those prefixes which normally indicate
first- or second-person /subject/ [...] are used to indicate
first- or second-person /object/.

This means that when {-lu'} is added to a verb with such a prefix, then
O-S-meaning of that phrase is reversed. All examples show that, and
there's not need to deny:

{Daqaw} - "you remember it" (you = subject)
{Daqawlu'} - "indefinite subject remembers you" (you = object)

{vIyaj} - "I understand it" (I = subject)
{vIyajlu'} - "indefinite subject understands ME" (I = object)

{wIlegh} "we see it/him" (we = subject)
{wIleghlu'} "indefinite subject sees us" (we = object)


> My point is to show that the subject and object aren't
> "in" the prefix; the prefix simply agrees with them.

That's basically the same. When I see {qa-} I can certainly read what is
object and subject. So it really is "in" the prefix. You are just
nitpicking here on the definition. It's chicken or the egg thing.

Lieven L. Litaer
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"

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