[tlhIngan Hol] New Words and Grammar Points from qep'a' cha'maH javDIch
sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Jul 22 07:49:28 PDT 2019
On 7/22/2019 10:19 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name
> <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
> On 7/22/2019 2:52 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>> This is a summery of all the new information we gained. Most of
>> it is also included on the new words list, but I compiled it all
>> together for ease of reference.
> *Hoy* is /be refined, be fancy, be sophisticated [pertaining to
> culture]./ Does that bracketed note apply only to the final
> synonym, /sophisticated,/ or the whole definition?
> That is, does *Hoy* mean /be refined, fancy, not boorish/ or /be
> refined in a cultural sense, fancy in a cultural sense,
> sophisticated in a cultural sense/?
> I suspect the bracketed note applies to "sophisticated" to distinguish
> it from the sense of "advanced" (as in "This engineering is quite
> The original request on the KLI page (which I understand MO was
> provided with) was "Having characteristics associated with the upper
> class, possibly due to being particularly elaborate or due to
> arbitrarily culturally valued attributes. 'We are dinner at a fancy
> restaurant two nights ago.' 'Only a sufficiently sophisticated
> individual will appreciate the performance.'"
Your first paragraph is the argument in favor of /be refined, fancy, not
boorish,/ while your second paragraph is the argument in favor of
restricting the verb entirely to a cultural sense.
For instance, could I say *'uSqan Hoy*/refined iron,/ or would that only
refer to culturally fancy iron? Given the original request, I suspect
not, but the written clarification on the new words page is poorly
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