[tlhIngan Hol] Order of adverbials and type-5'ed nouns

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Tue Jul 9 19:33:43 PDT 2019


Good discussion. I’ll just add my agreement that time stamps have a high priority of providing context to what follows, so they are best placed first. They even reach beyond the scope of the sentence containing them, for anything that follows until some new time stamp establishes a new time context. 

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> On Jul 9, 2019, at 1:38 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/9/2019 1:31 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:58 AM SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>> Let's see...
>>> 
>>> DaHjaj SuvwI''e' jIH Today I am a warrior. (TKW, KGT)
>>> 
>>> This one has a type 5'd noun after a time element. One could conceivably argue that DaHjaj SuvwI''e' is meant to be a noun-noun construction, today's warrior, but I doubt this. Of course, there's no OVS in this sentence.
>>> 
>> -'e' is sort of an unusual type 5 prefix, since not all words with it necessarily go before the OVS part. It can be applied to subjects and objects which would have their usual place in the sentence. In this case, I think SuvwI''e' is more like an object than a distinct syntactic phrase. (I know, jIH isn't really a verb so SuvwI''e' isn't really an object, but in terms of where the nouns go, the pronoun-as-copula arrangement is very similar to a standard OVS arrangement.) So this would be more of a "time stamps precede the object" arrangement, which we already knew.
> Agreed. This sentence was just the first one I found on my first search, which was for the word DaHjaj. It's not a strong piece of evidence.
> 
> The sentence itself is notable for other reasons. It's got -'e' on a noun before the pronoun. I think the purpose of the suffix is emphasis: Today I am a WARRIOR (as opposed to whatever I was before). I think this is the only time a pronoun-as-to-be sentence has an -'e' suffix on the noun before the pronoun.
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