[tlhIngan Hol] placing {-lu'} on {'oH} and {ghaH}

Lieven L. Litaer levinius at gmx.de
Sun Jul 7 23:23:21 PDT 2019


Am 07.07.2019 um 23:15 schrieb SuStel:
> We clearly don't all know, since Lieven claimed that *-lu'* "reverse the
> object-subject."

I can't leave this uncommented in the archives, as it seems I am saying
something completely wrong. TKD says clearly:
Those prefixes which normally indicate
first- or second-person /subject/ [...] are used to indicate
first- or second-person /object/.

This means that when {-lu'} is added to a verb with such a prefix, then
O-S-meaning of that phrase is reversed. All examples show that, and
there's not need to deny:

{Daqaw} - "you remember it" (you = subject)
{Daqawlu'} - "indefinite subject remembers you" (you = object)

{vIyaj} - "I understand it" (I = subject)
{vIyajlu'} - "indefinite subject understands ME" (I = object)

{wIlegh} "we see it/him" (we = subject)
{wIleghlu'} "indefinite subject sees us" (we = object)

etc.

> My point is to show that the subject and object aren't
> "in" the prefix; the prefix simply agrees with them.

That's basically the same. When I see {qa-} I can certainly read what is
object and subject. So it really is "in" the prefix. You are just
nitpicking here on the definition. It's chicken or the egg thing.

--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"
http://www.klingonisch.de
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Object


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