[tlhIngan Hol] Using -ta' during -taHvIS

[Will Martin]

qatlho’. 

You’ve done a deeper dive into the perfective than I have. Well thought-out, and thoroughly sensible.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.




> On Feb 25, 2019, at 4:30 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
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> On 2/25/2019 3:42 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>> Is feeding a cat really that much of an accomplishment? Is it that important to point out that you had planned feeding the cat as your goal and that you successfully reached that goal? If so, then by all means, use {-ta’}.
> -ta' has nothing to do with your sense of accomplishment. It has to do with whether you did something intentionally. If you did, you have the option of using either -pu' or -ta' (or rIntaH if the completion was particularly final).
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> vIghro' vIje'ta' I fed at the cat. It wasn't a particularly momentous occasion, but I intentionally fed the cat and completed my feeding of the cat.
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>> Why bother with a suffix if it doesn’t really add much to the meaning? It’s okay to omit it. I don’t have to explain to you why I omitted it. I did not make a mistake by omitting it. I would not have made a mistake by including it. It’s my choice. I can say it the way I want to say it.
> Incorrect. Omitting a type 7 suffix on a verb explicitly means the action is not continuous and not perfective. It doesn't add optional meaning; if you are describing a completed action, you need a perfective suffix on it.
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> vIghro' vIje' I feed the cat. From whatever vantage point I am describing this sentence, I am describing a non-continuous, non-completed action. For instance, a statement that, as the cat's owner, I feed the cat isn't a continuous action (I'm not doing it nonstop if I'm not Jon Arbuckle) or a completed action (I'm still the cat's owner and I still feed it). For another instance, if I'm telling a story, and in the moment described I feed the cat, then in that moment the feeding is neither continuous nor completed. (jIvem, jItuQ'eghmoH, vIghro' vIje', puchpa' vISuch...)
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> But one thing that vIghro' vIje' cannot mean is that there was this one time I'm looking back on in which I fed a cat. For that you must include perfective.
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