[tlhIngan Hol] Is {Sal} a verb of movement ?

[Will Martin]

In the interview, Okrand said that adding the {-Daq} WOULD change the meaning. His example was being in a boat on a river. {-Daq} applies to the boat. The object of {ghoS} is the river.

I don’t remember {jaH} having an object. I’m sure you may be right about that. I simply don’t remember it.

If you want to call these “locative verbs”, go for it. I don’t see a problem with that. I see it as neither better or worse than “verbs of motion”. Both descriptors are incomplete, but serve as a useful shorthand for a more complex concept. I’m sure that people using either term will be understood.

charghwI’ ‘utlh



> On Feb 12, 2019, at 8:52 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
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> On 2/12/2019 8:39 AM, Will Martin wrote:
>> Certainly, the difficult part of understanding {ghoS} and its ilk has more to do with understanding what kind of objects it takes, since it is unlike English to have a verb that has this sense of intentionality wrapped up in it. I suspect that it has a similar character to the difference between {-pu’} and {-ta’}. {jaH} means “go” with no reference to the direction or manner or intent of the going, while {ghoS} implies following a specific course or path. You plan {ghoS} and as you {ghoS} you are executing the plan.
> I really have no idea what you're talking about here. Aside from being a "locative verb," a verb whose object includes a locative concept, there is nothing special about ghoS. It refers to following a course or path. The course or path is its object. That's it. There's nothing about intentionality there. If you're tied to an out-of-control wheelchair rolling downhill down a road, you still ghoS that road.
> 
> As for jaH: it does make reference to the direction of the going. jaH is also one of these verbs that includes a locative concept, only instead of the course, the object is a locative indicating the destination. We learned that jaH is a "locative verb" in your interview with Okrand, a fact we could not glean from its TKD definition.
> 
> The defining characteristic of "locative verbs" is that their objects are locatives without being marked as locatives. That's why if you do add the locative suffix, you don't change the meaning. It's redundant.
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