I don't have my canon notes with me right now; I think it may have been HQ Dec 98 that talked about verbs of speech. IIRC... This: > ghobe'; jang ghojwI'.. > no, replies the student.. should be: jang ghojwI', jatlh [ghobe']. He can jang, jach, tlhup; but the quote goes with a jatlh. Same goes for the other lines in that email. - DloraH