[tlhIngan Hol] vIta'pu'be' vs vIta'be'pu'
Steven Boozer
sboozer at uchicago.edu
Fri Mar 9 09:50:35 PST 2018
nI'ghma wrote:
> My problem with this matter has to do, with the way I understand the {vIta'pu'be'} and
> the {vIta'be'pu'}, if I "read" the {-be'} as if referring only to whatever directly precedes it.
> I read the {vIta'pu'be'} as "it isn't completed the whatever it is that I did".
> And I read the {vIta'be'pu'} as "it is completed my not doing it". Lets write an example.
Let's look at how Okrand has used {-be'} with {-pu'} on the same verb. AFAIK there no examples of {-be'pu'}, one example of {-pu'be'} :
pa' jIHpu'be'
I wasn't there. TKD
and one example of {-be'lu'pu'}:
'entepray' Hub patmey luchu'be'lu'pu'
Enterprise defense systems are down. (ST5 notes)
There is only a single example of {-be'} used with {-ta'} on the same verb:
loDnI'wI' bIHoHta'be'
My brother, you failed to kill (PB)
These results surprised me. I'd have expected more examples of negative perfect verbs.
> {QIn tetlhvam vImuvpu'be'}
> I joined this list, but my joining isn't completed
Then you didn't actually join the list. You tried {nID} to join the list, or you're in the process of joining the list (e.g. waiting for the administrator's approval) -- so why not use {-lI'} (in progress): {QIn tetlhvam vImuvlI'} -- or you decided {wuq} not to join the list after all.
> {QIn tetlhvam vImuvbe'pu'}
> I didn't join this list, and this (my not joining) is completed.
I have no idea what this "translation" is supposed to mean. Do you mean that you failed to join the list (e.g. you tried repeatedly but the sign-up subroutine isn't working)?
Perhaps if you provide a little context for each example I'd have a better idea of what you're asking.
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Voragh
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