[tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"

Daniel Dadap daniel at dadap.net
Sat Jul 14 15:15:04 PDT 2018


Oops, should have checked the dictionary first!

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 15:59, seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> But... we do have a [SIQwI'] entry in the dictionary already.
> "celebrant, recipient"
> 
> 
> 
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> On Sat, 7/14/18, Daniel Dadap <daniel at dadap.net> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> Cc: "seruq" <seruq at bellsouth.net>
> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2018, 7:00 AM
> 
> I
> have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I
> like both of these contrasting pairs:
> chu'wI' / ngo'wI' -
> newcomer / old-timer (proposed by
> De'vID)taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner /
> survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by
> voragh)
> I like
> chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and
> clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I
> like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also
> because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast
> between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as
> voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of
> confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording.
> The words are also indistinguishable from each other when
> whispered.
> I think if
> the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might
> be good. Perhaps it might even be appropriate
> in a general sense. It can also take aspect suffixes
> to indicate whether the experience endured is complete
> (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the
> military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of
> the word “veteran”) or actively occurring
> (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a
> sport and still participating in it; another common use of
> “veteran”).
> In
> response to this note from Quvar:
> PS: veteran in the military sense might be
> {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI'
> qan}.
> tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan
> tu'lu'be'.
> On Jul 13,
> 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> chu'Ha'wI'? An
> un-newcomer?
> 
> 2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00
> seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net>:
> How about bampu'wI'?
> 
> or:
> 
> bamta'wI'
> 
> bamchu'wI'
> 
> or what fine-tuning is appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - DloraH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson
> <qunchuy at alcaco.net>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs
> "veteran"
> 
>  To: "Klingon language email discussion
> forum" <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
> 
>  Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM
> 
>  
> 
>  I am trying to find a
> 
>  pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label
> 
>  people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their
> first
> 
>  time experiencing something) or veterans (they've
> been
> 
>  through it before). 
> 
> 
> 
>  I
> 
>  like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I
> can't
> 
>  decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of
> 
>  you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did
> you
> 
>  come up with anything satisfactory?
> 
> 
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