[tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"

[Daniel Dadap]

I have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I like both of these contrasting pairs:

chu'wI' / ngo'wI' - newcomer / old-timer (proposed by De'vID)
taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner / survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by voragh)

I like chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording. The words are also indistinguishable from each other when whispered.

I think if the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might be good. Perhaps it might even be appropriate in a general sense. It can also take aspect suffixes to indicate whether the experience endured is complete (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of the word “veteran”) or actively occurring (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a sport and still participating in it; another common use of “veteran”).

In response to this note from Quvar:

> PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}.


tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'.

> On Jul 13, 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> chu'Ha'wI'? An un-newcomer?
> 
> 
> 2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00 seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net>:
>> How about bampu'wI'?
>> or:
>> bamta'wI'
>> bamchu'wI'
>> or what fine-tuning is appropriate.
>> 
>> 
>> - DloraH
>> 
>> 
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>> On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <qunchuy at alcaco.net> wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
>>  To: "Klingon language email discussion forum" <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
>>  Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM
>>  
>>  I am trying to find a
>>  pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label
>>  people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first
>>  time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been
>>  through it before). 
>> 
>>  I
>>  like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't
>>  decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of
>>  you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you
>>  come up with anything satisfactory?
>> 
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