[tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"

seruq seruq at bellsouth.net
Sat Jul 14 13:59:07 PDT 2018


But... we do have a [SIQwI'] entry in the dictionary already.
"celebrant, recipient"



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On Sat, 7/14/18, Daniel Dadap <daniel at dadap.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
 To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
 Cc: "seruq" <seruq at bellsouth.net>
 Date: Saturday, July 14, 2018, 7:00 AM
 
 I
 have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I
 like both of these contrasting pairs:
 chu'wI' / ngo'wI' -
 newcomer / old-timer (proposed by
 De'vID)taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner /
 survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by
 voragh)
 I like
 chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and
 clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I
 like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also
 because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast
 between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as
 voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of
 confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording.
 The words are also indistinguishable from each other when
 whispered.
 I think if
 the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might
 be good. Perhaps it might even be appropriate
 in a general sense. It can also take aspect suffixes
 to indicate whether the experience endured is complete
 (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the
 military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of
 the word “veteran”) or actively occurring
 (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a
 sport and still participating in it; another common use of
 “veteran”).
 In
 response to this note from Quvar:
 PS: veteran in the military sense might be
 {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI'
 qan}.
 tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan
 tu'lu'be'.
 On Jul 13,
 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 chu'Ha'wI'? An
 un-newcomer?
 
 2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00
 seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net>:
 How about bampu'wI'?
 
 or:
 
 bamta'wI'
 
 bamchu'wI'
 
 or what fine-tuning is appropriate.
 
 
 
 
 
 - DloraH
 
 
 
 
 
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 On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson
 <qunchuy at alcaco.net>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs
 "veteran"
 
  To: "Klingon language email discussion
 forum" <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
 
  Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM
 
  
 
  I am trying to find a
 
  pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label
 
  people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their
 first
 
  time experiencing something) or veterans (they've
 been
 
  through it before). 
 
 
 
  I
 
  like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I
 can't
 
  decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of
 
  you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did
 you
 
  come up with anything satisfactory?
 
 
 
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