[tlhIngan Hol] ngIq and numbers

Felix Malmenbeck felixm at kth.se
Fri Jan 5 14:44:23 PST 2018

In lieu of a definitive answer, a possible workaround for this particular situation:

«loS mIwHommey'e' ngIq SIQlu'.»
"As for the four subprocesses, they're endured one by one."

(Note that «ngIq» is grammatically singular, similar to «cha»; MO specified in the notes for the latest qepHom that «ngIq mIch wIHotlh.» is correct but *ngIq mIch DIHotlh.* is not.)

From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:35:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ngIq and numbers

I guess I could omit the {loS} and still express the desired meaning.

But the question remains; if {ngIq} expresses "a sequence of things one after the other", then why not specify with a number the quantity of these things ?

Putting aside the fact that it has never been used in canon with a number preceding it.. If someone read the {loS ngIq mIwHom luSIQlu'}, would he understand the intended meaning ?

Or would there be any room for confusion/misinterpretation, as far as the intended meaning is concerned ?

~ nI'ghma

On Jan 5, 2018 23:07, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer at uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer at uchicago.edu>> wrote:
I'm not sure.  {ngIq} has been used in sentences with numbers, but not in the way you want (if I understand what you're trying to say).  E.g.

  ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH
  In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of thousands, and those to come.  PB

  ngIq raQ - 200 QaS, mon - 200 QaS loS raQmey je
  Outposts cost 200 each; capitals, 200 each plus 4 outposts.  MKE

  ngIq gholvaD vaghmaH QaS yInob
  Pay each player 50 forces.  MKE

  ngIq gholvo' wa'maH QaS yItlhap
  Collect 10 forces from every player.  MKE

Since {mIw} means "procedure,  process;  step,  stage (in a process)" -  sequential by nature - why not just say {loS mIw luSIQlu'}?   Note there's also a separate verb {quq} meaning "happen simultaneously":

  quqtaHvIS wanI'vam raQDaq pawta' qotar qempa'QeH je
  At the same time Kotar and the *Qempa'keh* arrive at the camp. PB

And don't forget the adverbials  {nIteb} "alone, acting alone, on one's own, etc." vs. {nItebHa'} "linked, (acting) united, side-by-side, etc.".


From: mayqel qunenoS

I was wondering whether we could say:

{loS ngIq mIw luSIQlu'}
four individual processes someone endured

Meaning "four individual processes one after the other".

What puzzles me is using a number in conjuction with {ngIq}.
Could this be done ? Is the above sentence correct ?

~ nI'ghma

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