[tlhIngan Hol] {neH} with SAO and indefinite subject

Daniel Dadap daniel at dadap.net
Sat Dec 8 12:41:57 PST 2018



> On Dec 8, 2018, at 12:53, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se> wrote:
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> There is one additional example, but it's from paq'batlh, which i) is poetry*, ii) is adapted from an older form of the language* and iii) contains quite a lot of irregularities**.
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> Doy'choH cha' porgh
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> 'oy' cha' porgh
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> 'ach Hat'chu' 'e' luneH neH tIqDu'Daj
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Ah, thanks. And thank you, SuStel, for the ST VI example. I agree that the 'e' in Azetbur’s sentence does not apply to the question of explicit 'e' with neH and SAO. I wonder if maybe I read the example in p'b and perhaps It informed my assumption that 'e' with neH is okay. It’s also entirely possible that I just made it up in my head.

On the subject of it paq'batlh, I’ve long wondered whether the thing that looks like a qaghwI' is really a qaghwI' in the middle of paq'batlh, paq'yav, paq'raD, and paq'QIH. Like, if one were to write paq'batlh in pIqaD, would there be a qaghwI' between paq and batlh?

> (paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 7)
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> * For the most part, though, the book is grammatically correct by "modern" tlhIngan Hol standards, or tries to be, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. It is handy to keep in mind in case one wants to retcon out mistakes, though.
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> ** This is probably the bigger concern. There was a lot of text, and the proof-readers only had a very limited time to look at it.
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> //loghaD
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> From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>
> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 19:47
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> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {neH} with SAO and indefinite subject
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>> On 12/8/2018 1:42 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
>>> (The sole known exception is not a good data point, as it involves one Klingon using another Klingon's sentence as the first sentence in a sentence-as-object construction. It may be that in such a case not having something there is too much. We don't know how this exception works, so it's dangerous to base our understanding on it.
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>> Out of curiosity, do you mind quoting that exception?
> In Star Trek VI, one of the military officers says something, then Azetbur says 'e' neHbe' vavoy That isn't what my father wanted, literally, Daddy didn't want that.
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