[tlhIngan Hol] learning time

Steven Boozer sboozer at uchicago.edu
Fri Dec 7 13:56:40 PST 2018

Welcome to the group, Luciano.

{QInwIj wa'DIch 'oH QInvam'e'} is exactly right for "this is my first message".  As you've noticed, {-vam} "this" and {-vetlh} "that" have to be attached to a noun; they can't be used by themselves as a relative pronoun as in English, i.e. "This/That is ..." etc.   While "this message is my first message" feels redundant in English, repeating the noun is common in Klingon.  

As for mailing list/listserve/newsgroup, etc., we've been using *{jabbI'IDghom} (literally "data transmission group") since the list was created - some twenty five years ago?  Back then {QIn} "message" hadn't  been revealed yet in KGT so we made do.  Nowadays you sometimes see *{QIntetlh or *{QIntetlh}, but I really like your suggestion *{QIn mIr}.  AFAIK Okrand/Maltz hasn't expressed his opinion.  

Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

-----Original Message-----
From: Luciano Montanaro

{QInwIj wa'DIch 'oH QInvam'e'} allows to specify the possessive, which I couldn't add to the subject...
Is it otherwise needed? I need more examples to study.  Anyway, my intention was to say "this is my first message to the mailing list".

I simplified it to "this is my first message" because I had no idea how to say mailing list and I didn't want to check a dictionary. And I still couldn't find a place for "my".  Is there a consensus for a translation of mailing list? I did a check now, and nothing came up. I see two possible way I could attempt a translation: {QIn mIr} or {QIn tetlh}. The second one is a more literal translation, but maybe the first one is a better metaphor.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:07 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel at dadap.net> wrote:
> wa'DIch 'oH QInvam'e'.
> 'Italya' ngan jIH.
> loSwen tlhIngan Hol vIghojchoH.
> tlHingan Hol, Doychlan Hol je vIghojmeH, duolingo vIlo'...
> qayajchu’! majQa’!
> "qhaq QInwIj wa’DIch ‘oH Qinvam’e’” bIjatlh ‘e’ vIchup, ‘ach QInlIj yajlaHchu’ vay’.
> _______________________________________________

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