[tlhIngan Hol] Using {'ar} without a noun

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Wed Aug 22 08:56:55 PDT 2018

On 8/22/2018 11:28 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
> Am 22.08.2018 um 17:08 schrieb SuStel:
>> Jesus Christ.
> [...]
>> So forgive me if I condense all those paragraphs down to "only." 
> Please, calm down.
> It was YOU who has always taught me not to interpret TKD just because 
> one thinks that's what it means.
> It was YOU who has always attacked me just to say that if it's not 
> explicitely written down than we cannot assume that it's the way we 
> understand it.
> Okrand does not use the word "only".
> You did. You just did what you always accused me of doing.

I did not say there's a RULE that other question words can't be used as 
pronouns. I said "only *'Iv* and *nuq...* act like pronouns." I didn't 
say Okrand denied any others. Those are the ones described in the text 
as acting like pronouns; all the others are given different 
instructions. With all question words accounted for, ONLY *'Iv* and 
*nuq* act like pronouns. The others don't, because they are explicitly 
used in other ways, and because they were left out of the *'Iv* and 
*nuq* description.

That doesn't mean Okrand can't add such a use later. But it does mean 
that using, say, *'ar* as a number pronoun violates the instructions for 
its use, and adds the word to the list of pronoun-like question words 
that Okrand did NOT add it to himself. You are making up new rules of 
grammar that violate the existing rules.

I do not say don't interpret TKD; I do not say don't say anything that 
is not explicitly stated. I DO say not to ADD anything to your 
interpretation that isn't explicitly stated or demonstrated through 
example. My saying "only" doesn't deny the possibility that Okrand will 
later give us an explicit statement or a demonstration through example.


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