[tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)

[kechpaja]

As someone who has a copy of TKD on my bookshelf, I'm inclined to agree
with the two-word interpretation, although I also originally parsed it
as one word. 

However, as a historical linguist, I'm tempted to point out that the
{-taH} verb suffix is almost certain etymologically derived from the
verb {taH} or vice versa. Given that information, whether or not the 
{-taH} actually connects to the verb starts looking a bit less 
important. We'd only be able to hear the difference if (a) the {taHjaj}
were preceded by an adverbial, or (b) the {maH} took the {-neS} suffix.
Perhaps the {-taH} morpheme has become a full-fledged suffix in most 
cases, but remains (somewhat) separate in a few edge cases, such as 
when {-jaj} is used. 

 - SapIr, who

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 01:27:35AM +0000, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> > -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
> 
> 
> It's worth noting that so do «wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran» and «wo' ghawran DevtaHjaj», which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar. Could be seen as a mistake, but then again, using mu'mey ru' in toasts and wishes appeals to me somehow.
> 
> 
> In any event, it's been clarified by Mary Chieffo that the sentence means "We are Klingon, let it remain.", which strongly suggests that it's «tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.»
> 
> https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-speak-klingon-star-trek-discoverys-mary-chieffo-can/105832414/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-lifetopstories
> 
> 
> ...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 + -jaj rule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means there should indeed be a space in there :P
> 
> 
> //loghaD
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 23:09
> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
> 
> -taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
> 
> 
> 
> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
> Sent from my Palm Pre
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com>
> Date: 9/26/17 16:35 (GMT-05:00)
> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
> 
> Interesting, thanks for this video!
> 
> When I heard the Klingons say their favorite sentence several times in the show, I understood it as: {tlhIngan maHtaHjaj.}, literally 'May we continue to be Klingons.' - you had it as {tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.}, 'We are Klingons. May this continue.'
> 
> Both make sense, I prefer my interpretation with one verb. What say you?
> 
> - André
> 
> 2017-09-26 22:22 GMT+02:00 Lieven <levinius at gmx.de<mailto:levinius at gmx.de>>:
> Hi there,
> 
> visit my channel on YouTube and find an exclusive interview with Marc Okrand talking about Star Trek: Discovery and pronouncing some of the new words which had been revealed at qep'a' 2017.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBgW0YNHSfw
> 
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
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