[tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)

[Felix Malmenbeck]

>> It's worth noting that so do «wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran» and «wo' ghawran
>> DevtaHjaj», which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar.
>
> As you say, these are exceptions used in toasts, so that doesn't count.

I don't believe the first example is meant to be an exception; according to KGT:
"If uttered as a wish, hope, or aspiration - but not as a toast - the normal word order applies: {wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran} ("May Gowron continue to lead the empire")."

It might still be an error, though.

Personally, I like to use phrases such as {X-ta'jaj X-taHbogh Hoch.} to wish people success. I'm fine with those being {mu'mey ru'}, though.

> Or you just turn on the Klingon subtitles to check the spelling. :-)

Did you have access to the script for the Klingon lines? I was under the impression you had to listen and transcribe.

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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)

Am 27.09.2017 um 03:27 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
> It's worth noting that so do «wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran» and «wo' ghawran
> DevtaHjaj», which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar.

As you say, these are exceptions used in toasts, so that doesn't count.

> ...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase
> as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 +
> -jaj rule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means
> there should indeed be a space in there :P

Or you just turn on the Klingon subtitles to check the spelling. :-)

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