[tlhIngan Hol] With "joq" - how do we choose the right verb prefix ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel:
> even in English we don't use one consistent rule.

The same happens in Greek too.

Why doesn't someone who knows 'oqranD personally, send him a mail in order
to clarify the matter ?

qunnoq

On Sep 1, 2017 19:08, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 9/1/2017 11:32 AM, demonchaux.aurelie wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your replies and thoughts on this !
>
>
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>
> * HIq qIj reghuluS 'Iw HIq ghap jab   They serve Black Ale or Regulan
> bloodwine. (CK) {A B ghap jab} “they serve them” not {lujab} “they serve
> it”*
>
>
> This is a great example, and I think this gives us the solution, thank you
> for digging it up!
>
> I was convinced that if A and B were both singular, "A B ghap" would be
> considered singular when choosing the verb prefix, and that's why I thought
> joq might be singular in those cases, and I couldnt choose between singular
> or plural. But this proves the contrary !
>
> So, to sum up, whether A and B are singular or plural, and whether we use
> je or ghap, A + B + je / ghap is always plural.
>
> Logically, A + B + joq is thus also always  plural !
>
> So the correct sentence in my example is:
> vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq DIghojnIS
>
> tuQaHmo' Satlho' :)
>
> It's an interesting data point, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
> Okrand forgets the prefix *lu-* often enough that he even points out that
> Klingons forget *lu-* more than any other prefix.
>
> Then there's this example from *HolQeD* 12:2*,* which seems to contradict
> your analysis:
>
>
> *naQ megh'an 'er'In ghap yI'uch **grasp either end of the stick*
>
> The words *'er'In* and *megh'an* are *definitely* intended to be singular
> here. If a *ghap* construction always got interpreted as plural, the verb
> should have been *tI'uch,* but it wasn't. And yes, sometimes Okrand
> forgets to use *tI-* and uses *yI-* instead. So we have two contradictory
> conclusions, each of which is based on examples with grammatical rules that
> Okrand commonly gets wrong.
>
> Finally, even in English we don't use one consistent rule. *Either Bob or
> Linda are coming over.* A finicky grammarian would complain that the verb
> should have been *is;* nobody else would even have noticed. I could
> easily see a native English speaker, constructing a Klingon sentence,
> following the same fuzzy rules.
>
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