[tlhIngan Hol] Making someone do something to someone/something else

[Aurélie Demonchaux]

Thank you both De'vID and SuStel for your replies, and apologies for taking
a while to get back to you.

So as I understand the most correct way in those cases can be summarized as
below:

< Subject 1> causes <Subject 2> to <verb> <direct object>
becomes
< Subject 2>-vaD <direct object> <verb>-moH < Subject 1>

If there is an indirect object as well as a direct object, is there already
an established way to say it?

For example:
The Captain made the prisoner give the knife to the officer

Do we just get 2 nouns with -vaD suffix ?
yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD

or is it safer to work around the problem as below:
qama’ raDmo’ HoD, yaSvaD taj nob qama’

2017-09-15 15:26 GMT+02:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:

> On 9/15/2017 5:18 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:
>
> I have been wondering about how to perfectly convey sentences where there
> seems to be 2 subjects, such as "She made you wait for us" and just came up
> with an idea that I wanted to discuss with you: using < ... ’e’ qaSmoH >
>
> For instance:
> juloS ’e’ qaSmoH
> > Literally: She caused it to happen that you waited for us
>
> Or, for the example from last month (they made the dog enter the cage:
> DogvaD mo’ lu’elmoH):
> mo’ ’el dog ’e’ luqaSmoH
>
> When you think about it, in "She made you wait for us", the subject is
> "she" but the object is not "you", it is the action/event "you wait for us"
> taken as a whole, thus <... ’e’ qaSmoH > seems a logical way to phrase it.
>
> What do you think ? Has it maybe been discussed already ?
>
> Sure, people have been using *'e' qaSmoH* forever. It was one of the
> primary ways of getting around the "ditransitive" issue before we had
> examples and confirmation. You're reconstructing it from the other
> direction.
>
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