[tlhIngan Hol] One more day

André Müller esperantist at gmail.com
Tue Oct 10 11:44:46 PDT 2017

2017-10-10 20:33 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:

> SuStel:
> > If someone were to write *Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIjuv* for *I *
> *> measure the ship's deceleration*
> *I can'understand this; all I read is "I measure the ship's great speed,
> speed, lesser speed"*
> *mayqel q*
This is also the only thing I am grasping there. It would not make sense to
me. It sounds either like a mere list, or like a NNN construction meaning
"I measure the lesser speed of the speed of the greater speed of the ship."
Neither of which makes sense. Maybe that ship has only 3 speed modes, slow
pace, middle pace, and full speed, and I could measure what they are (e.g.
half impulse, full impulse, and warp 1).

Interpreting something like "deceleration" into seems like a big stretch.
Like linguistic fan fiction.

- André

> On Oct 10, 2017 8:09 PM, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> On 10/10/2017 12:51 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>> I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't express what I
>>> thought of the nouns at the time; they tell what I think of them when I say
>>> the sentence.
>> It's interesting that you don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I
>> thought it was a good example of a spectrum of something like "increasing
>> belief on my part that this thing can or should be described by this noun",
>> from *-qoq* ("obviously not such a thing") to *-na'* ("definitely such a
>> thing"). That's a good point about how they apply at the time of speaking,
>> though. (At first I was going to argue that in the right context they could
>> be taken to mean "what I thought of them at the time", like if they were
>> contrasted with each other in some kind of temporal sequence, but I think
>> that's mostly just because I really liked that example and want to salvage
>> it somehow.)
>> Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the
>> sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it. We've
>> seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes. But we haven't
>> actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as I know, so no point
>> trying to find a way to make it so.
>> You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes and
>> *-ghach:* *SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach* for something like *fight
>> from start to finish.* There's an unmistakable sequence here, but it
>> doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. And with this one there's actually
>> little point to nominalizing it; just say *SuvchoH SuvtaH Suvpu'.*
>> Interpret it with full stops after each word if you must.
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