[tlhIngan Hol] qepHom grammar questions

[SuStel]

On 10/4/2017 12:33 PM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen 
> <klingonguy at gmail.com <mailto:klingonguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:46 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net
>     <mailto:qurgh at wizage.net>> wrote:
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>         On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Lawrence M. Schoen
>         <klingonguy at gmail.com <mailto:klingonguy at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>             This makes me wonder how you'd respond to adding the
>             suffix after the ordinal?
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>             Thus, /my third ship/ - *Duj wejDIchwIj*
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>         You don't posses the "third" though, you posses the ship.
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>         DujwIj wejDIch - Out of the collection of ships that are mine,
>         the third one is the topic
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>     You make a compelling argument. And I confess I just popped into
>     the middle of this thread so I'll yield to your assertion that
>     "the third one is the topic"
>
>     And yet, as has been pointed out, a number (in this case, an
>     ordinal number) is a noun. So I have to disagree with your point
>     that you "don't posses [sic] the "third" though, you posses [sic]
>     the ship."
>
>     Duj wejDIchwIj - there are many ships, but third one is mine.
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> To me {wejDIch} isn't a thing that can be owned by someone, it's 
> simply a way to count things in a list. Putting a possessive on it 
> just seems strange to my mind.

I don't happen to agree with *Duj wejDIchwIj,* but it's worth getting 
clarification.

I would interpret *Duj wejDIchwIj* not as mine being the third ship out 
of many ships, but everybody has many ships, and let's talk about MY 
third one, not YOUR third one.

A number is a *chuv,* not a noun, but it gets treated grammatically as a 
noun. But modifying nouns with numbers does not follow the usual 
noun-noun construction rules. Neither do numbers necessarily act like 
adjectival verbs. Sometimes numbers are used as adverbials. Numbers act 
like numbers, whatever that means. The unclear delineation is the reason 
to ask for more information.

-- 
SuStel
http://trimboli.name

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