[tlhIngan Hol] Saying I'm not there

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon Oct 9 04:31:29 PDT 2017

Another example of a fixed feature not using a suffix is on the Bird of Prey poster: tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'.

SkyBox 99 had this, referring to Deep Space Nine: qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH. Another possibly bad data point, since Deep Space Nine is technically capable of limited movement, even though it really is a fixed feature.

But SkyBox S27 had an unambiguous example: pa' 'oHtaH vaS'a''e'.

Basically, it’s a mess.


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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Saying I'm not there

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:36 PM, SuStel wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:29 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:05 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
I am of the opinion, informed by no canon whatsoever, that the rule is that pronouns of being in a place require an aspect, but not necessarily a type 7 suffix. 

Unfortunately, that opinion is contradicted by canon. Again, from the UKE appendix:

"Where is a good restaurant?" {nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ'e'} 

"Where is the bathroom?" {nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'}
Any examples where we're not asking questions?
Here's a sort-of example: ghe''orDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'. But it's not of the same form as the others, so it's not a good data point.
One thing that is in common between those examples is that the thing in question doesn't move, it's a fixed location. People move around, so you might want to emphasize if someone is in a location for a while (i.e., using the -taH), whereas the restaurant or bathroom probably isn't going anywhere. Are there more examples where the thing that is in a place is a fixed feature rather than a person or ship or the like?

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